Thread for State of the room Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete  State of the room Luke 1:14pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Alright. As of today, I think it's safe to say that the room is fucked, but I want to know what can be done to fix it. I worked my arse off to get this room back up and running, and I am not going to let what has happened, kill the room again. I want EVERYONE to respond to this, with solutions (even though I know what a shitload of those solutions will be, but I'm looking for others too), and not things like "create a fuckload of other rooms", because that's not a solution, that's just dividing everyone and killing the spirit of these chats. Answers now, people. The situation is critical.   Storm 1:35pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] As for a solution Luke, I think if you would consider either becoming chat master or finding a different one this room would be much better off. K went off last night about Emi's rp when it was posted on the board and I hardly ever see K in here anyway. If she is, she's lurking and not rping. When she does pop in, she usually bitches about something or other, usually how we didn't tell her what was going on. I understand the need to let the admins know and Emi let them know, just not all of them. At least Emi and some others in this chat, yourself includeded are trying to keep the plot moving and not hold it back. It is just a suggestion, but either way I will still rp here. And to quote K as saying "This isn't a diplomacy. It's an RP room." and "I will become a dictator if I have to just to get some kind of control over this chat. If there is any mocking done, to myself, the other admins, or anyone in this chat, I will ban." I say down with the dictator and up with the diplomacy. An rp room such as this should be done in a collabrative fashion, which most of us have done well with. Not a dictatorship like K says. And now I am done Edited 9:01am, July 17, 2006 by Storm, author.   Starshot 2:02pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Truthfully, I agree in not creating a bunch of other rooms. The chat I have was created months and months ago, which is why everything in it is already up and running. My main intention for that room is for rp only when K goes ballistic <.<. As far as solutions, I agree with K's wanting knowledge about something big like that BEFORE it occurs. You don't have to let the whole chat know, just give a heads up to the admins of specifically what you plan on doing. I also understand Emi's desires to keep that rp under wraps but, when dealing with a plot like that, EVEN if you plan on having the NYC attack foiled, it'd still be a good idea to let the admins know ahead of time. As far as a solution to this, I wouldn't mind coming back to this chat and rping. I wouldn't mind it at all. Just as long as we don't nuke people in the face whenever something so sudden and unexpected occurs... and that admins don't threaten to become like Fidel Castro >.> that's all I care about.   Mak 3:28pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I dont think Emi is completely to blame on this whole thing. I dont know if you saw my post on the board a month ago bitching about how big sims should be planned. But i think that was one of the solutions to this problem. And was it an admin that posted that? No. It was one of the chat minions. I dont know how a CM and Admins expect to have control over a room when they dont participate. K didnt even aknowledge this post, or the problem at the time. As for Emi's plan. How did K not expect something to happen? Carson has bombed a city with a gas substance, killing hundreds of people. This is a presidential figure who is EXPECTED to do something in the extreem. Emi had NO idea that K was away. No one had ANY idea that K was away (And we dont really care WHY she was away to be honest. At least i dont. Just the cutosy of posting on the board that you will be away is good enough. We arent fucking mind readers you know) I still find it amaizing that a person who has no involvment with a chat she saposadly runs wishes to be informed about ever little detail. In some cases i have attempted to speak with her over AIM to talk about random chat concerns, and plans. And some of those times i have gotten no response. Character registrations are left for months. In my personal opinion, the only way this chat is going to succeed is to have a chat master who actually gives a flying rats ass about the Roleplayers, the plot lines, and is capable of putting personal feelings aside on a person when they make a "Ruling". That is how you fix it. Personal stabs in front of an entire chat (and this does include bringing the problem in front of everyone so they can bicker like a bunch of fucking children), Banning individuals for voicing anything after the CM was the one who started this whole incident to begin with. On another note. I dont think K is completly to blame for this chat fallout. Sure, she comes in and acts like a complete cunt forcing her ideas onto everyone, her concerns. She is a chat master and all. But what i dont see is that everyone has to fucking ARGUE with her. Keep it going for hours and hours. It is insane and childish. And to point fingers on how to fix this is impossible. All i know is we all did this to ourselves because no one is able to just be quiet. They have to get the last word, thier point across, and make the other people bow the fuck down to thier elite typing skills. So whine, bitch, moan about how the chat is falling apart. keep the ball rolling so the chat falls apart, or grow the fuck up and have an rp and just let this chat master drama shit slide. Because i can guarantee that whatever chat you make, or go to, this shit will ALLWAYS happen. You think you can get away from it? No. "But this place will be run COMPLETELY different than that place" *lmao* Where the hell have i heard that before.  P.S. Apocalypse 5:39pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I'm not leaving. >.>  I'm not leaving. Liz 8:58pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I'm a die hard and it'll take a lot of shit to make me abandon this chat. But I agree..we DO need a chatmaster who gives a shit.   Aldy 10:22pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Wow. O.o' Ok um...what is there to say? I wasn't about when it all kicked off, but 've read through the logs and in all honesty, this just seems to be a case of communication issues. I don't really see why it's caused such a problem. Everyone seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill. 've not got a problem with anyone that comes in here, quite the contrary infact. I really like this little community we've got going on here & to lose it over something as trivial as what's happened would be stupid. 'm not going anywhere. Rp will continue.   Aardvark 10:55pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] First of all, those of you saying that I'm never here or anything? Sorry, but that's bullshit. I am ALWAYS here. I just happen to have a lot of shit going on this summer that keeps me from being able to RP like I'd like to. I should have informed people that I was going out of town. Unfortunately I didn't have time to, because my parents woke me up at five-ish, said they'd already thrown some clothes in a bag, and drove off before I could even protest. I had known this trip was coming, and until we left, it was understood that I would be staying home. Last night, I was NOT pinning the whole thing on Emi. It came out that way because I was frustrated and trying to get what i was saying across when the entire chat was throwing more stuff at me. I was only intending to lay down the law that every now and then people need to give the admins an IM and just say "Hey, this is what's happening." The 'insult' to Emi was not an insult, and I have apologized several times already that it came across that way. Emi has been a friend of mine for years. I wouldn't ever chance that friendship by insulting her by calling her a child. When I made the comment that I would make the chat into a dictatorship if that was needed for there to be order, I was not threatening that. It was meant only to make people realize that it's not acceptable to throw shit around when the admins are trying to clean up a situation. Storm. I want you to stop attacking me and acting like I'm someone that always comes in and demands that things go my way. It's NOT like that at ALL. I want you to stop insulting me and treat me with the common courtesy and respect that you would any other person.   Storm 11:23pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I treat people with respect when they treat me and others with respect. The way you were talking to Emi, yelling at Traci and some of the other people last night showed me that once you start treating others with respect, even if you do not like them, then I will start treating you with respect. And I have one for word for you now K: Whatever. I am done with you. You can say whatever you want and you will not merit a response from me.  This is going to be long.... Emi 11:24pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] The Carson RP was something I started for fun. It was a little RP that just kept getting bigger because everyone started to hate the character. I thought that people were having fun with it, because it was something new and something which every character in the chat would be able to have a part in. I personally hate being left out of RPs and so I was trying to make sure it would be something that everyone would be able to have a part in. The first time I used Carson I attacked a very very small town as a test attack. Mak and a few other people told me that I should give them a heads up next time because they wanted to be a part of it. So I posted the RP would take place on sunday. I've pretty much been saying that it was going to be another attack from Carson. I told people that there was going to be another attack...why do you think they were down in the bunker? I thought that the admins knew, but as K said herself, she wasn't around. She was off visiting a friend at prision. So there really wasn't anything i could do to inform her. Next time many if she is around more, she could even be a part of the RP....who knows. It didn't seem to me that anyone had a problem at all with what was going on last night. Moth talked to me on aim about some stuff and I understood what he was saying and agreed not everyone in L.A. would have been killed, but it would have been a very drastic number. And then if anyone really even read the post I made with Carson, they would have seen that I left the second jet open because it was going to be taken down. It was never going to hit NYC, that was how people were going to be involved. Working together to stop the Jet from hitting their city. It didn't seem like anyone had a problem... I never wanted to cause a problem, and I didn't want the room to split. K, I've never had a problem with you, but I feel that you were out of line last night. A chat is not a dictatorship...if you run it like that it will die. Everyone has to have a say and you have to work with the players in the chat to be a good Admin. When you don't RP very often and just talk OOC or come in to handle arguments...people don't know you as well and some people don't see you as one of the RPers. K you made me feel really upset last night and I was really hurt. Aardvark: See, I wasn't notified that this was going to happen today. Swoop, were you? Moth, were you? Cause I know I wasn't. Nope. Definitely WAS NOT. This whole 'not-telling-the-admins' shit has got to go. That was the first comment that hurt because it was on the board and I had said before that it was going to be another attack by Carson. Moth is never around btw, he is always hidden online so I couldn't say anything to him. K, you weren't around because you were off visiting a friend. And I had told Swoop that I was still trying to figure the RP out so it would be right. I should have told him more over AIM when we were talking and once I got it all worked out, so I will take the responsibility for that. I'm sorry Swoop. Aardvark: Yeah, see, I don't remember this whole thing being told to the admins at all. I don't see any specific dates to set up a huge sim as this should be a sim and not a random whim. It has been on the board since July 12th. I know you were out of town, but that really means that you had no right to come in there and just go off at me like you did. It wasn't nice and wasn't fair when all I was doing was helping to further the RP. Aardvark: Okay. We are going to throw down some rules RIGHT here. If you want a big RP scheduled with your friends, that's fine. If you want a sim, you fucking clear it with the admins. I've been visiting someone in prison for the past few days, so I was totally unaware of this. Obviously, so was moth. There is a difference between a big RP and a sim. I have been UNAWARE of this, no one BOTHERED to alert either myself or moth to it. Emi, you play kids because you think like a kid.You have no respect for the rules and for common sense. I know you didn't mean it as an insult...but maybe you should really take a bit more time to think about what you are typing before you hit enter. I forgive you for what was said, but it still wasn't nice and I was hurt by it. Again, it has been on the board since the 12 and neither you nor Moth said anything to me. I've been talking about it in the chat and working to get all the details formed. I couldn't tell Moth because he's always "hidden" or just not on. Besides, it wasn't that big of a deal. It effected NCPs and it the second jet was never going to hit NYC. Also, I don't care what you say, K....that was an insult to me. I'm in my 4th year of college, I play a lot of other characters besides kids including Charles Xavier and Hank McCoy. The reason that I can play Amanda well is because she is me. She is me when I was that age, and I can relate to her because she was how I was. You also said that I can't play evil characters...and that is not true as well. I've been playing evil characters as long as I have good guys. I have just been playing them in other chats. Aardvark: This isn't a diplomacy. It's an RP room. Aardvark: I will become a dictator if I have to just to get some kind of control over this chat. If there is any mocking done, to myself, the other admins, or anyone in this chat, I will ban. This is how chat rooms die. This is the kind of stuff that makes people sick and makes people leave. You can't run a chat room like that. You're just an Admin...you're not a God. You have to be able to listen to everyone. And just because you're an admin doesn't mean you can be rude towards the RPers. But I also don't think that RPers should be rude to the Admins. Everyone needs to treat everyone with respect...and I didn't not feel respected last night at all by you K. I felt hurt and shocked. Aardvark: Emi, I realize that saying you had no respect for rules was highly exaggerated. I was laying down the law for everyone and in saying that bit, I sort of lumped you together with others that have been less than lawful in the chat. The common sense thing... Like I said. It would have been nice to have an IM five minutes before the RP saying "Hey, I'm going to kill a bunch of people." My response probably would've been "Cool, have fun." I did not mean to pin this whole thing on you. You were just the straw that broke the aardvark's back, and I lashed out. K, you can't just lash out at people like that. I made a mistake, I didn't tell you what I was doing. I couldn't tell you or moth, you weren't around. And to be quite honest, for some odd reason I didn't even know that Swoop was an Admin until he said "Why didn't you tell me!" and then I was like "oh damn...yeah, I should have said that before I posted. I'm sorry swoop." It was a mistake on my part, but it was done to help the chat...to make things worse. You treated me as though I had tried to kill the chat last night. Now, I don't totally want to change rooms, I like xgen. Hell when Luke told me it was restarting I was really happy. I had characters in X-Mansion and other places, but I found that I liked this room the best. People make mistakes, and people can make you upset...but when you are an Admin you should be treating people with respect and in return you will gain respect. I don't do big RPs like this all the time. I was worried that I was going to make a mistake and I was doing everything I could to not let that happen. I didn't want it to be another RP that got voided. So all in all, I'm sorry if what I did last night was wrong and if I was out of line. I was just trying to do an RP that would be fun and that would get a lot of people involved. I didn't go into it trying to ignore rules. I thought that I had followed the rules by making the post on the board by saying it was planned for Sunday and had mentioned in the chat about Carson attacking again but on a larger scale this time. I'm sorry if I upset people last night, I really didn't mean to. Maybe next time it will go better...if there is a next time. ~Emi~ Edited 6:27pm, July 17, 2006 by Emi, author.  ` Sean 11:28pm, July 17, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I ain't leaving   Aardvark 3:46am, July 18, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Last night should never have turned into what it did. Yes, I'll keep in mind to word things more carefully in the future... but the way everyone jumped all over me for insulting Emi even after I tried to explain that it was never meant as an insult.... That's just wrong. Storm. I have never been as cruel as you make me out to be. I yelled at Traci because she was deliberately mocking me and making a bad situation worse. She's always hated me and always wanted to put her fingers in any wounds I might be dealt. I treated her the way I did because anything less would have opened the door for her to hurt the chat more than it was already being hurt. Emi? I was trying to talk with her reasonably. One comment that I made, a comment that I did not see as insulting, was interpreted in a completely different way than it was meant, and everyone jumped on me. I said over and over that it wasn't meant to be rude. No one listened. You played a big part in that. You kept insisting that I was cruel and terrible and crucifying poor Emi when all I was trying to do was tell people that there was a new rule in place. Emi was never a target of mine, and the fact that you are still making her out to have been slandered and her name smeared and dirtied when most people have accepted that I meant no harm in what I said... that just floors me. I have ALWAYS treated people with respect. The whole reason I made moth an admin is because he is better at being the 'bad cop' than I am. I am scared to death to tell people something that they don't want to hear. I get an application for a character that most people would decline because it's JUST PLAIN UBER... and I accept it against my better judgement because I don't want to upset people. It's that way in real life too. I don't want to disagree with people even if it's in their best interest. I don't want to correct people even if they're asking me for help on something they don't understand. I respect people. I respect people so much that they walk all over me. But I'm not letting people walk all over me on this one. That includes you. I don't just waltz into the room and start treating people like dirt. I never have. And I resent that allegation. Emi, as for your post... I know you wanted to do things right, and I know that I was wrong in the way that I presented my frustration with people not telling the admins anything. You should have contacted an admin to help you set things up, yes. You went about things a bit differently than I would have preferred. But you tried to follow some kind of procedure and you did post it on the board. I hadn't been able to see it because I was gone for a few days. That's not your fault. Truthfully, I didn't realize that it was on the board until after I became upset with the lack of information and started explaining the new rule in chat. At that point, I made a last comment and tried to give you a tap on the wrist and back out. You had said something that sounded like you were upset with yourself, so I tried to give you a little pat on the back by saying that, yes, you played kids well because you could get into their mindset. After that I had typed most of another post to tell people to carry on and that in the future I would like to be notified, but before I could finish typing it up, people had already started attacking me for something I had said. It was supposed to end right there, but my words were misconstrued and I had to explain myself. And when I DID explain myself, no one listened. Only one person believed me. It should never have escalated to that point. I had no time to defend myself before more people were attacking, and people just started throwing insults at me and before long it was chaos. I got overwhelmed and started banning those who were mudslinging. That got more protests. By the time things finally calmed down and people started to understand that I had meant nothing negative by my comment, the RP was gone. I never intended to kill the RP. I never intended to have to tame such a huge crowd with very little help from others. I said the things about dictatorship in hopes that it would perhaps startle or scare people into giving me a moment to explain myself. No, it wasn't the best way to handle the situation. But I had no idea what else to do. It was an entire chat against me because of something that I had intended to be a pat on the back. One thing fueled another and there was no way to calm people enough to explain. People called me a bitch, said I was controlling and just trying to destroy the chat and I was being insulted and told I was unfit to be chatmaster. It's called crowd hysteria. One person would say something about me and it would anger others further, so everyone started taking up the cry and it just... grew. Like wildfire. My whole chat turned against me. My friends betrayed me. Only a few stood up for me. When they did, they were sure to do so in a way that wouldn't turn the anger upon themselves. When you corner an animal, even the friendliest of dogs will bite. When everything finally died down to a dull roar and I was able to breathe... Think about it. I had been attacked from every angle for wording something wrong. When I tried to explain myself, when I tried to apologize, I was shot down and it just got worse. Talk about respect. Talk about me being unfit for my position. Talk about me being a terrible, awful tyrant. But remember that I never wanted to hurt anyone. Remember that I was on my own against a crowd of people that was willing to turn on whomever the rest of the crowd deemed unsatisfactory. I may have handled it in a manner less than eloquent, but honestly, the pressure was on and people that I trusted and counted as close friends were turning on me and deserting me. What would you have done?   Moth 4:26am, July 18, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I just want to point out in response to Emi - just because someone isn't on AIM doesn't mean you can't leave them a private message in the chat. Saying you "can't reach me" isn't any kind of excuse. I check my messages every evening.   Liana Mardock 7:51am, July 18, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Okay, obviously as its been said before communication is needed in here before anything like this happens again. I personally like rping in here and im not moving, its taken me ages to start getting my chars settled into what their doing and im fed up of moving into different chat rooms because people can't communicate. Mistakes were made as we can see on all sides. Make up! and get on with it, we are all here to rp and people have said they are not going so come on people get back into the rp and stop arguing, what happened on sunday has happened. Lets just move on.   Luke 3:20am, July 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Alright, it's about time I posted a response in here. Firstly, thanks to those who posted in here, highly appreciated. To those who didn't, get stuffed. Next, about your suggestions... Kirsten has stood down as active CM and I am now running the show. I would like for those from the new room to come back, so that things can return to a free-flowing nature. If they don't, then there is no point in keeping this room open with five or six people. Also, if Emi doesn't return, then the same applies. If business does not pick up, the chat will be closed indefinately. So people, start RPing! That's your only warning. Edited 10:22pm, July 22, 2006 by Luke, author.   Luke 9:46am, July 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] The poll will decide this chat's fate. Vote, and if there are no votes on there (or the decision is yes), the chat will be deleted within the week. Edited 8:26am, July 23, 2006 by Luke, author.   Luke 4:33am, July 29, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] As per the results of the poll, the chat will remain open indefinately. Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete