Thread for RP in the Cantina Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete  RP in the Cantina Sir Mike Of Decoyness 9:25pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] The creation of the new "Wildman" cantina, has caused a few of us to reflect upon how this chat differs from the Beseen one. One of the main things we have come up with is lack of RP in the Cantina itself. It seems like RPing there is the exception, not the rule, it it's causing a lot of people to feel excluded. This is 100% voluntary, but how about for the next month, we work on RPing in the Cantina IC, and limiting the outside RPs to stuff that is essential to advance the story line? Hey, it's a thought... What do you guys think? How does this chat differ from the Beseen one, good or bad? (Try not to turn this into a bitchfest, please.)  I have no say Random Wanderer 9:30pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I wasn't at the BEseen :) Good luck guys  More Yellow FALCON X-0N 9:40pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] That's pretty much it. We are the Wildman Cantina, just with a face lift and a bunch of extra years on us.   Ken 10:53pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] What zon said. I said that the other day too and thats all I have to say. Yep.   Uncle Det 11:18pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Thats always been a complaint, I dont really see how someone could expect the kinds of rp that go on to reamain in a bar. I do like the idea to try and get everyone to spend a little more time in it though, I think the biggest thing we need to do is remind everyone that rps are not exclusive. Remind everyone that an rp can be crashed and one should probly attempt to plan for it in case it does happen. Maybe even encurage it a little. I think its also a litlte on the stupid side to try and compare our chat to the wildmans of nearly a decade ago. Diffrent times, diffrent people, diffrent attitudes. time changes, and while I like the wildman chat as a chance to reflect and remember I dont think its fair to expect our chat to be the same after so much time, and so much changing. anyways I gotta go to work   Cru 11:56pm, March 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] We are wildman's. We the fuckers that stuck with it till it died more or less while everyone else ran like little bitches. Now after all this time.of this place being here? Now they wanna remake the chat....considering this chat is basically the same one with a few face lifts as zon put it. I say that is utter crap. And this is just cuz Im an arrogant bastard. I have no problem with the folks that run "Wildman's" chat.....but frankly I am insulted. Insulted to the point of reviving my old newb chars to cause havoc in their.....hey its "just like old times". The Dark God Cruthulu has spoken.  well.. Random Wanderer 6:50am, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] well Cru.. that's.. basically what their room is for. Nonsense. I talked to the masters of the room and they said it's pretty much for nonsense and jibberish... it's not really... for serious rp. So I mean if you went in there with your noobs ressurected i t really would only make it more authentic... so... I don't see why you're getting so pissed at a room designed for nonsense... when really.. it's just... nonsense. Anyway... Det has a point. Coming from Star Net those were times where your character was your lifeblood, where the rps were RPS! where OOC was almost nonexistant and held to AIM, where men were men, and women were... pretty. Now it's just all politics and whose friends with who. If you ask me age did nothing but make us all bitter old men with vendettas. I would give anything to be a kid again and actually had fun rping and making friends and keeping them.  But HUGOR The Disproportionally Large Android 7:45am, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Hugor have fun!   Uncle Det 4:00pm, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] We are not Wildmans, we are the CFC, decended from Wildmans, probly one of the few chats that can claim direct decendancy from Wildmans, but no more wildman than Kevin, Y-wing or however you know him, whos making that other chat site. He has as much right to the Wildman claim as anyone here, and the elitist BS cru spits out is whats slowly killing us. its whats been killing off every rp. What makes us special is the fact we can claim that we were around till the very last days, and were an attempt to continue the roleplaying and legacy but we most defenatly are not Wildmans. Nor do we have the right to claim to be the only ones who have the right to that name. Weve been staving off the invevidable death of this chat for a while. We see resurgents now and then, but overall, this chat is dying, like the others, because we think we are the best, the elitist who have the rights over everything, and everyone else in the world can go to hell. Thats what drives people to create other chats, and drives people away from each other and away from here. We are not seen by others as being Wildmans, nor do many people see the CFC fondly, or even warmly by most. Its somthing we need to work on. We need to open our eyes, realize what we are doing to drive away the majoirty of the chatters, why we are not getting any new players to continue our legacy. In another 2-3 years maybe even less if not already, we will have nothing more than our core players, or whats left of it, as more people leave because of arguments that are not settled properly, or simply because real life begins to take more and more of our focus and we are forced to take more and more time away from here. Perhaps its invedibale, perhaps no matter how hard we try to advertise maybe the younger generation of today are too diffrent to anjoy a good multi genere rp, but perhaps simply people like cru with his elitist we are the chosen bastards of Wildmans that keeps people from getting interested. In fact we hardly even role play with each other now adays, they always go off in other directions or someone gets angry that their rp was crashed, very few leave room for the random person who might be in tonight but not tommorow, very few bring in the new people and teach them to rolpelay, most who come in get driven away, surely somewhere in those people we drove away there must have been one, or two who could have made it with a little effort. Now I plan on being here my entire life, as long as I can type and have a computer I will be here. If I have to do it from an old folks home where theres a bowl of mush next to my keyboard all day long then so be it, But I have a hard time imaging who will be there with me, maybe 5-6 other people, I dont see anybody new though. So is it too late? are we already stuck too deep in the rut of Cru's idiotic we are the best of the best and eveyrone should just suck it up? Or can we admit we are not Wildmans, we are not the onlyones with the right to claim the name, and that we shouldnt be insulted when someone wants to remake the chat but show a little support to the community for once, make a few friends, and spread our name around in a good light?  *Deep breath...edits post.* FALCON X-0N 8:20pm, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] *Takes a deep breath and edits page.* Okay, first, to clarify- - I say we're the Wildman Cantina because of the contiuety. We are the same people, with many of the same characters, in the same setting, having come from the same physical chatroom, and kept that chatrooms storylines and characters going for many year. Keep in mind that we RPed for a very long time before we restarted the plot- -and even then, lots of stuff carried over. Characters, themes, even storylines. I never saw a moment, like you did, where we changed from the 'tina into the CFC. The 'tina was always the CFC, to me- -the CFC was created to continue Wildman's chat in the first place! And we've grown, but (and I seem to be completely alone in this assumption) never away from it. That's why I said we're Wildman's. We're the same people, places, themes, stories and characters. But then I found out last week that we aren't. That everything I just said, I was lying to myself about. For a good many years. So Det, where am I RPing? What makes us so different? That we have a new message board, or a spiffy banner...or less yellow? We did we stop being "The 'tina" and started being this bastardized version of "Vet Bullshit Hell" that you're describing, Det? I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty insulted by some of the words you put in my mouth(You should have seen my post before I edited it!), and kind of speechless. I've never gotten the impression from anyone (but Cru) that we were the uptight, overzealous, cock-assed, self-rightious RPing group that you claim we are. Fuck, maybe it's just me. But like Mike said, I'm reflecting now. If we're not Wildmans, who are we? And more importantly, What the fuck happened to us? When did we stop being the 'tina and...when did we...? Oh, motherfuck it all. I can tell ya when. It's when we started givin' a crap about shit like this. I'm gettin' IC. Edited 3:24pm, March 23, 2006 by FALCON X-0N, author.  Let it be. Scott 9:46pm, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] It's just another chatroom, if someone wants to role play there they're going to role play there. Nothing that can be done about it. Goodluck to'em.  The same as the others Impersonating Kirica Maje 10:14pm, March 23, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] *edited* We've gone through a lot of changes in the past: Wildman's, Starnet, the PJJ's... We've been orphaned, found, and orphaned again, but we have survived. There are some things that have changed dramaticly; like the common occurance of vampires and demons and such, as well as personal rp's that, admittedly, I'm guilty of participating in. I do think we need to focus more on role playing than OOC stuff ((even though I am, again, guilty of delaying a game because of ooc banter)), and to understand that not everything will work, AND the rp's should be open--not personal. Those are my two grits. Speaking of Grits, chats do die. Mine only last a bit over 2 years, but what a ride! :) I wish it could be reborn, but most of the players have left, and the motivation has ebbed. I'll keep Itara there just in case the passion to rp in that world ever returns. But yes, chats have a birth, life, retirment home, and death. Hopefully neither Itara, NOR the Cantina will ever see the "death" part. they are, however, using a third leg. ........ no, not THAT third leg. Edited 4:29pm, March 23, 2006 by Impersonating Kirica Maje, author.  The answer Andrew Marsh 5:08pm, March 24, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I'm not even kidding here, no matter how much this will sound like a joke: Wildman was a dude... and last time I checked none of us are him, there fore there is no such thing as Wildman's cantina anymore. There's Mike's Cantina, and Kevin's Cantina. You can't really claim to be in Wildman's Cantina, because Wildman has nothing to do with it.   JekNado 10:15pm, March 24, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] It's not bad. Go in there and flood it sometime, it's awesome. Just like the old days.  I WAS RIGHT! Pog 2:17am, March 25, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] With the cartoon gun battles and whacked out antics! My thoughts on why Rping is so low? Most of the villains, me included, are too plotty, very daring do stuff. Huge plots that require only a bit of action to carry out. And obscene personal power levels. I personally feel that there are not enough small fry villains for people to go up against.   Jace 6:04am, March 26, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Far be it from me to stop the thread hijack and return to Mike's initial post but... Personally, I see this as what is loosely refered to as "Wildman's Cantina" The majority of us that stuck around started off there, moved from A to B to C etc, and therefore the heart of Wildmans has always been with the chatters. I havnt seen Wildman in nearly a decade, so the person himself doesnt mean a flying flip to me. As far as roleplaying in the cantina goes, I may be the only one, and if I am, so be it, but I have yet to see one stinking solitary plot line that comes any where close to the ammount of fun we had while we roleplayed the majority within the cantina itself and its surrounding terrain. Fuck your "scale" fuck your multi universe hopping planet wide plots, fuck your starship battles, fuck all of that. I want to see Crusader running the show out of a base hidden within a junk yard. I want to see someone get mind controled by having ramen noodles wrapped around their head. I miss the flash bangs, and god forbid I-CUP shows up again someday... I hate to be the guy that runs around talking about the "good ole days" but for petes frickin sake! Er... Ill just stop while Im behind. In typical Jace fashion I refuse to appologize for any feelings I may have stepped on, Today is my first day in the fun journy of nicotine withdraw as I decided to quit. Either which way... Fuck all of you I love you all!  RP isn't the point Y-Wing Pilot 7:55pm, March 26, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I wasn't attacking the CFC or trying to take away from it. I'm a little shocked, frankly, how hostile some people were. I made it for nostalgic purposes, so the old timers can remnisce about.. well, the old times, and how far RP has come from damn near ten years ago. It's not up for RP purposes specifically, but I'm not going to throw a fit if people do RP there. So if you don't like it, that's fine. I don't need to understand why. But as Det said a while ago, let the rest of us have our memories in peace. Edited 1:59pm, March 26, 2006 by Y-Wing Pilot, author.  Plans!?!?! General Kael 8:22pm, March 26, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Plans are for fooooolz! When ze go zere..we vill melt zem..and laugh..on into ze night! HAoahAhahoahohohohoh!11!11/// Does no one miss randomness? Pool parties! Jell-o fights? SPAM BLASTERS?!?! I doubt the Wildman Contina is designed around rp specifcally..but more around the idea that you can be Stupid and OOC and all that..without pushing RP. I mean..yes I love the CFC will all of my bitter cold black piece of coal some time say resembles one of those candy hearts for Valentines day after it was left in a pile of ash..maybe after being half eaten by a dog..but I digress! I think that the CFC holds far more..dark, respectable, serious and mature rp..while the Wildman Chat is more designed around the Cantina that had high ceilings, collapsable walls, killable bartenders, random shoot outs without military involvement, fist fights, drunks, biting, pools, bathrooms trips, goofyness and all around entertaining moments rather then RP that was designed for a set goal. Its hardly a knock against the CFC, the CFC is the evolved form of the other chats. Perhaps its elitist, perhaps its alittle dry..but its the retirement home for us Vets! And the new rpers are like visiting relatives that like us..but we smell kinda funny. While the "Wildeman" Cantina could be more like..the Retirement Home..after we got our happy pills. And that, as they say, is probably not that. Gen.Kael Edited 2:29pm, March 26, 2006 by General Kael, author.   Jon 9:36pm, March 26, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] TRAGOLITE FOREVER!  well.. Random Wanderer 2:06am, March 27, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I don't see how you have much say Jace... you and Allen both picked up and left to that Fantasy chat and decided not to rp here anymore when we had an actual plot going. But far be it for me to point that out. If you want to see rps like that maybe you should stick around here instead of coming and bitching on a thread about a chatroom that wasn't made to steal anyone's fire. Or coming in and bitching when you don't even contribute to the room anymore. Afterall you COULD start that up yourself and get some stuff going. But then again why would you want to go that far? This room is doing fine. As the stats say on the PJJ stats list this room is consistently doing fine so I don't see why everyone is so scared of nothing.   JekNado 6:18pm, March 30, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I tell you why things are different. When I was 14, shooting whoever started problems in the bar and getting drunk IC was awesome. Then us vets grew up. We read different things in highschool. Different sci-fi series came out. We understood the concepts of plot and character development. Now I'm going for a journalism degree and enjoying Hunter S. Thompson's Gonzo Journalism. Zon's going to school to make movies. Our storylines and rps have evolved so much since the days we first started comming here, or wildman's or wherever. Drinking and shooting stuff in the cantina isn't as much fun once you turn 21 and have a concealed carry permit. We try to create stories now and make something a little more high brow. We're not kids anymore. I don't think I could rp like I used to in wildman's even if I tried. I won't speak for Zon, but for me, that's why I feel a lot of us "vets" are pissed off. I make opprutunities for people to rp. Every week I make a post about Shinra hiring or setting up an event or asking for additional help. Jek has some rp scenarios set up and all it would take is for another character to talk to him. NO ONE REPLIES. If you bitch about a lack of rp, it's because you're not taking the effort to get involved. There's times I come in and it feels like my characters are blatently ignored. As for wildman, like people said, it was the people that made the chat, not the chat itself. Hell, I remember the vs chat before we went to wildman. Then beseen would occasionaly die and I can remember nights where we would form aim chats. We were brought together because of a love of what we were doing and creating. The place that is happens at is meaningless. If pjj were to shutdown tomorrow, I'd probably get ahold of Zon, Cru and Mike, figure out where we were going to go next, head there, then spread the word to whomever we could get ahold of. Once we did that, we'd continue right where we left off in the story. Oh, and fuck off Det.  my half a cent AceOOC 6:46pm, March 31, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Now I have not even been around hardly at all in the last.. oh half a year running now.... BUT i still feel the need to chime in here, speaking as a now 20 year old who, one upon a time, stumbled into the Beseen chat as a loner 12 year old nerd... The old chat was a fucking blast.. the keggers, the spam fights... the endless hordes of Cru... but like others in this thread have said, we got older..... As real life takes hold on us, we are forced (some of us anyway) to not be able to devote endless hours to fleet schematics and weapon designs... I fully expect, once i move to VA and settle down, to return to the CFC, and return with a vengeance, but seeing this kind of squabbling kinda makes me sad and none to optimistic about the future of the CFC. *blink blink* give peace a chance? *brick to the head from offstage* X.X  I know I haven't been around Kronos 3:52pm, April 13, 2006 [Edit] [Delete]  I know I haven't been around Impersonating Kronos 4:11pm, April 13, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I just got back after about a 4 month vacation but I get what you mean. When I come in here I look around and everyone is off planet or waiting to go off planet and that doesn't give some of us who can't be in here every day or so a chance to participate. Hey I still love to rp when I get a chance and I am 25. I had been around through Vs., Wildman, URPG and some CFC. I do have a life and family so I don't have time to get into a long rp. I do remember a lot of the oldies and talk to a few of them that don't come around anymore and some of them I don't miss in the chat. Phenix is on of them zon hates me threatening with trying to bring back. Chats die it is inevitable just like taxes. But det does have a point with this chat is not very friendly except for a few like Jek with people coming in for the first time or for short time rps. Hey if all you guys want is pretty much the same people playing until everything ends then you guys are on the path for that but I can see that if you want new people I don't know how to bring them in to give advice. I have tried to do that when I was trying to resurrect the Galactic Sovereignty but couldn't get any young blood that wanted to rp here so I never got it off the road. I don't know if any of this makes sense just wanted to say I will be around from time and again. Hope to get some rp in with y'all sometime.   JekNado 7:45pm, April 14, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Meet my friend, the comma. He works with the period so the evil run on sentence can't stop by to visit.   Tap 4:18am, April 21, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] I'm normally working, so I don't have many chances to come and RP...   Ruhk The Noghri 4:07am, April 26, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Well, as someone pointed out to me, I totally missed the boat on this one, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. First of all, what is this "WE ARE THE CFC STFU NEWBIES" shit I read further up the line? Wow, didn't know there was a membership card. Seriously, it's not like a couple people made up the chat room. It was everyone who participated, even the trolls that came once just to fill the room with spam and then left. That was part of Wildman's. My favorite part about it all was that it was completely unrestricted in all aspects, no banning, no ignore function, none of that shit. Sorta miss it, but I also see the light in regards to having a bit of control over the environment. Now society is a liquid thing, it doesn't go from one state to another at precise intervals. Suprising that I feel the need to point this out, but prior evidence SCREAMS for this nugget of common sense. No single person dictates what is and isn't within society, so I don't know how anyone can make the claim that they and the people they disignate embody a specific social group. I could continue on this line, but I won't. Suffice to say, it's disgustingly ignorant. Anyway, I still try and swing by when I can, though it's less attractive as time goes on as I've lost the thread of friendship with a lot of people and picking up has always been sort of awkward for me. The thing I miss the most is being able to stop by, RP something a little crazy and OOC in everything but form, and leave without having to research 8 different sci-fi movies and a couple games WHILE reading the logs to pick up on the inside jokes. Ah, the good ol' days. The good ol' simple days. Anyway, I don't know where I was going with this and I have some studying to do soooo... wait, what?   AceOOC 6:22pm, May 21, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] It occurs to me that the reason those were the good ol simple days was because we didnt have to look up 8 different sci-fi movies... we had em all memorized.....   Gorny 6:50pm, May 22, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] *spary paints "Gorny Wuz HEre"* Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete