Thread for Quenya, Qenya or High-Elven and Sindarin, the language of the Grey-elves or Sindar Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete  Quenya, Qenya or High-Elven and Sindarin, the language of the Grey-elves or Sindar Blackfox 1:09pm, September 19, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] THE BOOKS Tengwar Origin J.R.R. Tolkien created many languages throughout his life. He wrote in one of his letters that the tales of Middle-earth (The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, etc) grew from these languages, rather than the languages being created for use in the stories. Tolkien also created a number of different alphabets to write his languages - Tengwar, or Feanorian letters, is the one which appears most frequently in his work. The way the vowels are indicated in Tengwar resembles Tibetan and other Brahmi-derived scripts. Notable features Written from left to right in horizontal lines. Tengwar is written is a number of different ways known as "modes". For example there is a Quenya mode, a Sindarin mode and even an English mode. The phonetic values of the consonants (tengwa) and the ways vowels are indicated varies from mode to mode. Vowels are indicated by diacritics (tehtar) which appear above the consonant which precedes them (in Quenya mode) or above the consonant which follows them (in Sindarin mode). When vowels stand on their own or come at the beginning of a word, the diacritics appear over a special vowel holder. Long vowels are always attached to a vowel holder. Consonants are doubled by adding a wavy line below them. When followed by a vowel, the letters /s/ /ss/ and /r/ are written with the tengwa silme nuquerna, esse nuquerna and rómen respectively. Otherwise these letters are written with the the tengwa silme, esse and óre. When the letter /s/ follows another consonant it is written with a little downward hook. Used to write A number of different languages of Middle-Earth, such as: Quenya, Qenya or High-Elven, the most prominent language of the Amanya branch of the Elvish language family. Tolkien complied the "Qenya Lexicon", his first list of Elvish words, in 1915 at the age of 23 and continued to refine the language throughout his life. It is based mainly on Finnish, but also partly on Greek and partly on Latin. Sindarin, the language of the Grey-elves or Sindar. Tolkien based Sindarin on Welsh and originally called it gnomish. Sylvan, Westron, etc Tengwar can also be used to write English, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, Swedish, Polish, Esperanto and a variety of other languages. THE BOOKS Edited 8:57am, September 19, 2006 by Blackfox, author.   Blackfox 2:11am, September 25, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_officially_said_abo.htm <--- very scary http://www.alleria.com/?q=raceagecomparison <----- age chart high / gray elves come under Elf, Syl/Med  Pronouncing Elvish Blackfox 5:27pm, November 13, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] Introduction There are two dialects (I think that is it) of Elvish Language: Quenya and Sindarin. Quenya is the most popular and advisable language to learn first because it is a widely developed branch of the Elvish language. Students learning Quenya will find it easier after knowing this tongue to be able to learn other languages like Sindarin. Pronounciation and Stress Pronunciation The vowels Quenya has five short vowels: a, e, i, o, u and five long counterparts: á, é, í, ó, ú. There are also six diphthongs: ai, oi, ui, ae, eu, iu All vowels, when you pronunce them, make sure it is pronounced as pure as possible and Tolkien said to pronunce it in Itlalian style. Below are shown the closest English counterparts of Quenya vowels, but they are not perfect equivalents. á: as in father. a: with the mouth more open than á, but short! e: as in end. é: as in air. i: as in machine or in see. o: as in sore. u: as in brute. ai: as in aisle or in eye. au: as in cow. eu: as in so. (that is a very imperfect match!) iu: as in Yule. oi: as in oil or in toy. ui: as in ruin. Hiatus, a vowel following one without making a diphthong, are fully pronunced and sometimes indicated with diaeresis (double dot above the vowel.) The appearence of Hiatus (ä, ë, ï, ö, ü) in words is to show that the vowel isn't silent, but fully pronounced. The Consonants The consonants of Quenya are: c, d, f, g, gw, h, hy, hw, l, ly, m, n, nw, ny, p, qu, r, ry, s, t, ty, v, y, w. Remember that: qu is another way of writing cw -w indicates a labilised consonant -y indicates a palatised consonant Labialised consonants are produced when you move your lips forward as if pronouncing a “w”. In this lip position pronounce the other letter to make it labialised. Palatalised consonants are produced when you lift the back of your tongue towards you palate (the roof of your mouth). In English you can compare the sound sh and the sound s, sh is a palatalised s. Double consonants- double consonants are pronounced longer than the simple ones: for example compare the "n" in penknife to penny. Double consonants are: cc, ll, mm, nn, pp, rr, ss, tt. Favored consonants clusters. Each consonant in a cluster should be pronounced as below (there are more, these are the usaul ones.) ld, mb, mp, nc, nd, ng, ngw, nqu, nt, ps, ts, x (x is another way of writing cs.) End word consonants; these are the only consonants allowed at the end of words: l, n, r, s. All consonants, which aren't in the list below, should be be pronounced as in English. c: as k. hw: as in who. hy: as the German ch sound in the word ich, or as in huge. hl, hr: were originally unvoiced l and r but in the Third Age they were pronounced as normal l and r. h: as the German ach when the h appears before t. If ht is after an i or an e (-eht- and -iht-) the h should be pronounced like the "ch" in the German word ich. Otherwise it is pronouced as the h in high. l: as in let. n: as English n except when it appears before c, g and qu then it should be pronounced as in king. r: is trilled, as in Italian. s: as in so or in geese. v: as in vine. w: as in wine. y: as in yes. Because w indicates labialised consonants and y indicates palatalised consonants, the "groups " nw, gw, qu (cw) and ny, ty, ly, ry aren't counted as consonants as consonant clusters, this is the only way to show that the consonants should be either labialised or palatalised. When vowels these consonants count as long consonants (like nn or clusters etc.) Stress To stress a Quenya you have to look at the syllables. There are three cases to analyze. The word is made of one syllable that's the easy one: the stress is only one vowel. Examples: sar (stone) is stressed sAr. nér (man) is stressed nÉr. The word is made of two syllables: the first syllable is stressed. There is one exception ava (which means: Don't!) Ava can be stressed either, Ava or avA. Examples: anar (the sun) is stressed Anar. isil the moon is stressed Isil. lië (people) is stressed lIë. This is the basic study for pronouncing Elvish, even more detailed lessons will be featured on this site once I can clearly combine all the Elvish from the books.  Alot of Info on Elvish Blackfox 5:32pm, November 13, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish/index.html  o.o Notai Mirachiri 12:39pm, November 21, 2006 [Edit] [Delete] XD we need to find something for you to do..!   Blackfox 4:56am, January 08, 2007 [Edit] [Delete] Songs featured in Lord Of The Rings movies In Dreams Featured in The Breaking of the Fellowship Lyrics by Philippa Boyens Music by Howard Shore Performed by Edward Ross When the cold of Winter comes Starless night will cover day In the veiling of the sun We will travel in bitter rain But in dreams I still hear your names And in dreams We will meet again When the seas and mountains fall And we come to end of days In the dark I hear a call Calling me there, I will go there, And back again An?ron - Theme for Aragorn and Arwen Featured in The Council Of Elrond Lyrics by Roma Ryan Composed and performed by Enya (Translated into Sindarin by David Salo) (In Sindarin) O m?r henion i dh?: Ely siriar, ?l s?la. Ai! An?ron Und?miel. Tiro! ?l eria e m?r. I 'l?r en ?l luitha 'uren. Ai ! Aniron ... (In English) 'From darkness I understand the night: dreams flow, a star shines. Ah! I desire Evenstar. Look! A star rises out of the darkness. The song of the star enchants my heart. Ah! I desire...' O: from an?ron: I desire (an?ra - on) m?r: darkness Und?miel: Evenstar (und?m? - ?l) henion: I understand tiro: look i: the e: out dhu: the night eria: rises ely: dreams l?r: the song siriar: flow en: of the ?l: star luitha: enchants s?la: shines white uren: my heart ai: ah May It Be Lyrics by Roma Ryan Music by Howard Shore Composed and performed by Enya (Song in English & Quenya) May it be An evening star Shines down Upon you May it be When darkness falls Your heart will be true You walk along a road Oh how far you are from home Morni? ut?li? Believe and you Will find your way Morni? alanti? A promise lives Within you now May it be The shadow's call Will fly away May it be A journey on To light the day When the night is all gone You may rise To find the sun Morni? ut?li? Believe and you Will find your way Morni? alanti? A promise lives Within you now A promise lives Within you now ... Morni? darkness Alanti? has fallen down Ut?li? has come Evenstar (In Sindarin) Ú i vethed nâ i onnad. Si boe ú-dhanna. Ae ú-esteli, esteliach nad. Ú i vethed nâ i onnad Nâ boe ú i Estelio han, estelio han, estelio, estelio han, estelio veleth. [Es]teliach nad, estelio han (In English) Not the end [it] is the beginning. Now it is necessary [that] don't-fall If you don't trust some thing. Not the end [it] is the beginning. [It] is necessary don't that. Trust this, trust this, trust Trust this, trust love. You trust some-thing, trust this. Breath of Life (In Sindarin) Uich gwennen na 'wanath ah na dhín. An uich gwennen na ringyrn ambar hen. Boe naid bain gwannathar, Boe cuil ban firitha. Boe naer gwannathach, [...] (In English) You are not bound to loss and silence. For you are not bound to the circles of this world. All things must pass away, All life is doomed to fade ... Sorrowing you must go, [and yet you are not without hope]. Arwen's Song By Liv Tyler With a sigh, you turn away With a deepening heart, no more words to say You will find that the world has changed forever (And) the trees are now turning from green to gold And the sun is now fading I wish I could hold you closer Edited 2:41pm, April 14, 2009 by Blackfox, author.   Elly 10:22pm, July 16, 2008 [Edit] [Delete] ^^ That is interesting! Thankyou!!!  Drow stuff Blackfox 2:37pm, April 14, 2009 [Edit] [Delete] Drow Directory house Do'Urden Drow Directory grey company's Drow translator Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete