Thread for Dear Red America... Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete  Dear Red America... Nameless 11:31pm, November 03, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Dear Red America, As you lower the flag draped coffin of your son into a hole in the ground, I'm sure it will bring you great comfort to know that his last thoughts as he lay bleeding to death thousands of miles from home was probably, "At least those gays can't get married." No doubt the solid grip of your assault rifle will be wonderful company as you linger painfully from an illness that could have been cured with early intervention had you not lost your health insurance. When you stare at your eviction notice, wondering where and how you and your family will live on your three minimum wage job salaries, you can stand strong knowing that, while little Suzie may not have dinner tomorrow, at least she'll never have safe, legal access to an abortion. And as the world around you devolves into violence and chaos, as you become less and less safe every passing moment, as your civil liberties are stripped away even as your security dwindles you be sure to shout it loud and proud that God was, in fact, on your side. I'm sure tomorrow I'll go back to caring what happens to you. Today, all I can muster up is.... Choke on it, America. Edited 5:01pm, November 05 by Nameless, author.   Buzz 12:09am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I agree with some of what you say, Some of what you say is absolute bullshit to me. However, Stick your name on the next one, you damn coward-and stand by what you say. If you can't say it without being embarrased or feeling threatened (and I'm just guessing with those), don't say it.   Scott 12:34am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I'll say this once, just to see how many of you angry little rugrats actually read these things through before getting angry. What right do you any of you loonies have to get angry at someone for expressing their opinion. Just blame me for it, granted I'm not the original auther but I'm kind of curious to see just how many of you paranoid loonies actually read totally through these posts before getting angry. (I'm posting here because my attempt to put my name on the originated post failed. Grr.) Have a nice night.  I was not the original author J The Voice Of Reason 12:48am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] But I endorse this statement of the nameless one.   Sir Mike Of Decoyness 4:12am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] One warning: Keep it civil   Anton 5:08am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I'm Canadian... this really doesn't concern me , but .... the real tragedy is that there will be no furthering in the field of stem cell research.  I voted George W. Bush Uncle Det 9:20am, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] As it says I voted for Bush, granted im in Northern California, which is stuck to southern California where all the Democrats pretty much guarantee California will go to the Democrats, but thats not the point. I voted for Bush because he hasnt backed down on his views on Iraq. I was glad when we went in, we should have gone in a long time ago, in realitiy we really shouldnt have had to go in the second time, Saddam should have been ousted the first time but the World has become a group of cowards who cant see the only way we will truly have peace is to be willing to fight for it. The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812 were our wars to prove we had a right to govern ourselves, We should have been involved in World War II a long time before we had been, to show that we would not stand for people Like Hitler, but people would rather have someone like Hitler in power. We should have fought Stalin, and probly would have if it wasnt for all the nuclear stuff. Even if the War in Iraq was purely over oil or other such Economical bull crap, Think about the side affect, Saddam Hussen is out of power, he can nolonger terrorize the citizens of Iraq, he has been shown to be a mass murderer, of anyone who is opposing him, he has killed his own people, he has killed the people of the countries he tried to invade, I dont care if no official WMD were found, everyone knew that if Saddam had the chance he would have built them, he would have used them, he would have killed countless innocents with them. Now war is not an answer to everything, even I know that, but Saddam was a man who was only ousted from his evil regime by war, and sometimes the path to peace lies through war. And we must also remember at this day in age, the US military is made up of willing vouleenteers, no more drafts, which means those people in it knew there would be a chance of war of going into combat, and they chose to still enter the service. There are some in the service who dont want to go to war, and they are pretty stupid for joining a military if the never wanted to fight. So post your name Namless if you so strongly stand by your belives, and I know Bush isnt the perfect president, no man is perfect, but in this day and age Bush is the best choise we have. And I rather still have him in office than Kerry, at least with Bush I can feel certain that our soldiers will remain in Iraq, rather then with Kerry who may decide to pull them simply because hes getting too much pressure. PS. It is a shame about the stem cell reasearch, it has great potential if people could get over their self richisness and allow people to donate materials and whatnot.  ... AceOOC 4:43pm, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I actually thought the original post of this thread was rather amusing, but then i've got a sick sense of humor. I voted Kerry, and the election of Bush does distress me somewhat, but not overly so. At anyrate, the Republicans took the House and the Senate anyways, so even if Kerry had been elected, the Ruepublicans would still be in power.  the namelessness thing. Mel 11:39pm, November 04, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Is it a possibility that maybe the nameless prefers to be nameless as to not get too personal? IF that makes any sense, I mean ... Like to not create any friendship rifts or any tihng, while still posting thier feelings... just a thought.  A Marine Speaks Ace Kezie 12:16am, November 05, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Like det said, everyone in the military joined willingly, they knew that they could go to war. I know that when I finally finish my school this spring, after a year and a half of training I could be sent right over to Afghanistan Or Iraq and I would do my best to serve the citizens of the United States and to defend thier freedom to talk however they want about myself, my comrades, and everyone else who wears a uniform in defense of this great country we live in. I voted for bush because I think he's done well after such a horrific event. I don't know if Mr. Gore could have done any better, the united states demanded action and Mr. Bush took it. The Taliban no longer oppresses its people and Saddam Hussein can no longer kill his own people. Maybe the war isn't turning out as well as it could. But things are getting better. I correspond with friends I've made in my time in the MArines and they tell me how grateful the majority of the people in Iraq are. They greet Soldiers and Marines with open arms, people who own next to nothing giving gift to our soldiers. I have a buddy serving in an Arty unit that has givin away every bit of civilian clothing he has to needy Iraqis that cry in joy after such a gift. Tell me We shouldn't be over there. Its your rights that we fight for. -Lance Corporal Jon Bergan C-130 Flight Mechanic CNATTMCAB Cherry Point,Nc  I don't understand Red 1:52am, November 05, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Since I'm lazy, I kinda just scanned everyone's posts, but the one that struck me the most was what Mr. Bergan said. If Bush did such a great job after a horrific event, why did over 1000 American soldiers die in Iraq after major combat operations ceased? Sure, the world is better off without Saddam or the Taliban, but while we're deposing dictators and forcing our form of government on people, why not stop the genocides in Africa, or stop the real terrorist threats, like North Korea and Iran? In my opinion, plenty of places on this planet needed US help more than Iraq did. Another thing, if the Iraqis are so glad we are there for them, why do they continue to fire rockets at our helicopters, to shoot our troops, to drive cars laden with explosives into our military bases? I think Mr. Nameless should reveal himself, so I can shake his hand. Well.. digitally shake his hand. Or her hand, for that matter. Edited 8:26pm, November 04 by Red, author.   Anton 3:05am, November 05, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] May I bring your attention to the verse in the song by The Who "Wont Get Fooled Again" .... Meet the old boss, same as the new boss..  May I... FALCON X-0N 5:21am, November 05, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] May I bring your attention to the song Monster/Suicide/America by Steppenwolf?  Arg Seth 4:16am, November 06, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Well 1000 deaths is nothing. We've lost 1000 men in training missions for D-day. And lets face it, when you join any military group, whether it be a front-line hard-charging Strike unit to a reserve coastguard dental unit. At some time or another you should keep it in a back of your mind, that you might have to go fight and you might get killed in the process. (This doesn't say I'm for bush, but I'm trying to prove something) Dude, Really, If you can't show your name, then don't even bother posting.  Time to shock and amaze you.... JekNado 6:30am, November 06, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] First off, that wasn't my post at the top if anyone was wondering. You all know how I take great delight in pissing people off in political debates. Now time to shock you. First off, I didn't vote. Both canidates are pieces of shit and voting for one just to get the other out off office is uneducated and fucking stupid. But if I would have voted....... It would have been for Bush. While you're recovering from your heart attacks, listen up. I never agreed with the war. I had a friend that passed away two weeks ago in Iraq. Went over willingly to fight. Didn't need the money for college. He felt strongly in what he believed in and died for it, which is a lot more then my political punk collegues would do for their beliefs. I believe everyone has a right to live, even kids that haven't been born yet and can't even defend themselves. To me life is sacred. So both of em are murderers. But Kerry wanted my guns and wanted to tax the hell out of the hotrod I'm in the process of aquiring because it's damaging the enviroment. Even though it will sit in my garage during the winter and probably only be driven on extremely nice days. Still, it wasn't enough to get me up off my ass and give either asshole my support.  Jek. FALCON X-0N 8:18am, November 06, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I don't think many thought it was you. We all know by now that you're much more the type that would have the balls to leave his name just cause of the "Fuck off, thats why!" factor. I know I sure knew better...  Recovering From Heart Attack Seth 6:00pm, November 06, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I *wheeze* can't believe *wheeze* he just said that...*wheeze*  Recovering from Heart Attack Red 5:06am, November 07, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] *next to Seth and Bill Clinton...... although Clinton is occupied by the two hot nurses giving him......... extra care* *male nurses....................*  Probably something that pertains to the subject Rando OOC 6:16am, November 07, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Ey... I voted for Bush, and I have my reasons for doing that. Whatever the poster of the original message belives in is his own business. Am I concerned about the 1,000 deaths in Iraq... Fuck no, like Jek and others have said, those guys are over there by choice. Would I go over there myself? If it came down to it yes... but I would do so on my own terms, if that means Im not carrying an M-16 then so be it. Call me a coward if you will but each of those 1,000 guys who died and all the thousands before them gave me the right to decide how I serve my country. I could probably sit here and thump my chest for a while longer, but I don't really feel like it. On a final note... I think this post is a good example of why my local newspaper did away with the speak out oppinon column... because they were anonomyus.   Red 10:24pm, November 07, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Actually, alot of the soldiers in Iraq right now are there because they have no other choice, they can't go to college because it's too expensive, so are forced into the military so they can eat.  AnArmyOfFries Seth 1:30am, November 10, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] No I'm sure they could have found another job other than the military. If its food your looking for, theres always a McDonalds. And they shouldn't have fucked up in high school. Or gotten the scholarship if they needed to.  food Ace Kezie 3:59am, November 10, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I've never met a single person thats joined themilitary because they were hungry, and if they did it for that reason, Wow   Anonymous 12:30am, November 11, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Wow. Um. First of all, someone back a while said that the Iraqis were accepting our soldiers with open arms. Sure, that's true. If by open arms you mean BULLETS! o_o Nameless, I give you kudos. I have to agree with you on every single point. I've got tons of books on the truth about Bush. Movies on the truth about Fox. The truth about the 2000 election. And Farenheit 911, while exaggerated, shouldn't have been. The facts should have spoken for themselves, and for that I am upset with Michael Moore. Bush, in a word, is frightening. We have ten times as many soldiers in Iraq as we do in Afghanistan searching for Osama. The only people other than the president that were allowed to fly after 9/11 were the bin Ladens. And they weren't allowed to be questioned. Bush said recently that he didn't know where Osama was and he wasn't concerned or even thinking about him. Rather than allowing us to have cheaper drugs from Canada, he thinks the best health care plan is not to get a flu shot if you're not old and decrepit like him and Cheney. As sad as it is, the most facts I've found on Bush is in a game that you can play by clicking here. Bush is a scary, scary, scary person, and the fact that he's in power again gives me the shivers.   Buzz 3:51am, November 12, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] ...You got your facts from a game? *shrugs* I only want to address one thing- Drugs are cheaper in Canada, yes. They're cheaper in most other countries, if memory serves. That's because most other countries governments have laws restricting how much drugs can cost, and consequently drugs are being sold at below their value in some places. It costs money to develop new drugs, and if drug companies don't get a return on their investment...well, then where's the incentive to make new drugs, then? They get money from countries like the US who end up paying through the fucking nose. Sucks, doesn't it? Just a theory I ha ve, get the fuck off your ass and research it before you agree or denounce it. (201 hits on this thread as of my last checking, that's fucking incredible...)  neato Jace 11:27pm, November 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Well Im going to be all civil like for a change and say a few things from the point of view of a man that has actually been to Iraq. First off, as far as the 1000 deaths go, what you need to realize (and this makes perfect sense) The time AFTER an actual combat phase in a war is the most dangerous time. When you are on the offensive its very easy to go in, sweep out the enemy, and clear your way through an objective. After that, while you are helping to rebuild the country, when you want to show to the people that you are "No better friend, yet no worse enemy" that you come to find that things are harder than the general public realizes. For example, for those in Iraq right now, they treat every Iraqi humanily, when I was in Iraq we rolled into country riding in and on top of AAV-7s and Iraq familys, especially the children would run up to the sides of the road and wave to us, cheering us on, you saw Iraqis screaming "GO USA!" and "GO BUSH!" and just as often you heard them shouting "DOWN SADDAM" or the occasional "FUCK SADDAM" which always gave us a couple of laughs. when we would place our camp sites at night, Iraqis would come to us, and when we could, they would walk away with fresh bottled water, or some of us would even give out our own daily rations just so those Iraqis would have better food to eat, hell, the favorite thing for the Iraqis to do were to trade currency with us, We'd give them anything from one to twenty dollar bills, for Iraqi currency that very honestly, wasnt worth the paper it was printed on. Right now, with the situation in Iraq, its hard to know who you can trust, and who you cant. For the "Annonymous" person that said we were welcoming the Iraqis and they were welcoming us with "BULLETS! o_o" well, in all honesty... you are a very foolish person. You need to do some research before you go claiming such "facts" As for the news? and the "truth about bush" and all that yackity-smackity... well think about it, what would you report on if you ran the papers, Everyone loves consipricys, they sell papers, make you rich, if I was a news producer youre damn right Id find every little nick picky thing wrong, hell Id make up some things wrong, to fatten my pockets a bit, cause hey, it wouldnt be any skin off my nose right? who cares what the American public thinks about politicans as long as I could take my dom perion bath every night... think about it. As for elections, I voted for Bush, for two man reasons. ONE: Kerry voted against US Troops in combat situations recieving Body Armor to protect them from fatal wounds from Shrapnel, Bullets, and IEDs TWO: Kerry voted against my pay raise, I dont make a whole lot of money concidering the ammount of hours we put into our job (an equivilent of about fourty-five cents an hour, give or take a bit) and I could use the extra cash. Anyway, Ill get off my soap box, hopefully something I said made at least a lick of sense to some of you...   Mel 11:54pm, November 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I ... just dont like war... >_> ^_^;;  Uhh.. Impersonating Red 1:42am, November 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Wow..... I didn't read much of that.. Isn't Jace some remnant from the Tina's dark and twisted and shady past?   Anton 7:44pm, November 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] More or less haha   Impersonating Anton 7:44pm, November 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] More or less haha   Anton 7:45pm, November 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Ah... whoops  My Opinion Kronos 3:21pm, December 21, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I voted for Bush for a number of reasons. Fon one, I just couldn't bring myself to vote for a man who fought for his country and then came home and called of his brothers in arms murders and child killers. The three purple hearts that Kerry received during Vietnam totalled three whole days of lost field time. I give Kerry respect for serving his country but he lost all of that when he turned his back on those who fought beside him and those who are still over there either buried or imprisoned but not forgotten. I do give Kerry some brownie points for not dragging this country through another Florida 2000 election unlike the state of washington right now. The war in Iraq, while not desirable, is still necessary. If we left now we would end up with another Afganistan or Vietnam. In both cases the power vaccum that was created after the war ended without a decent government being set up gave way to radical groups taking control. Yes, North Korea is a threat as is Iran and don't think for a second that the US is ignoring these countries. But at the same time we can't be at all places all the time. Where is the UN support in these situations. That is right there is none. They would rather take money and other bribes then to actually do there jobs. And it isn't the majority of the people attacking the US troops in both Iraq and Afganistan right now, it is the left over Taliban and Iraq imperial troops (I believe that is what Saddam called them) doing these killings. If you notice more attacks are being aimed at civilians by the terrorists then at Coalition forces. Before the war the UN talked of sanctions and inspections and anything but actions. We told them that we wanted something done about the fact that Saddam was planning on rebuilding his arsenal. In fact he had accumulated more munitions this time then what he had in the first gulf war. If I remember right they said he had close to or over a quarter of a million tons, I repeat tons, of conventional munitions. Is this something all peaceful nations are doing. No, he was using the food for oil program to buy off the security council to prevent anyone from looking into these matters. He also violated sanctions that stated he could not have long range missile systems which he developed anyways. I mourn for those 1000 soldiers who lost there lives over there fighting for what they believe in. It is a great loss to all Americans. But don't disgrace there memory by calling what they did a waste. And as for all those national guardsmen who are crying about having there service extended to maintain force readiness, they should have read there contracts better. It is stated in black and white and explained to them, they have to initial that it was explained, they there term of service could be extended if the need arrises. I think to many people think that they can join the national guard and do nothing but collect college money and a pay check. They are soldiers first and foremost. When they signed up and took the oath, like we all did, they understood this. As for the stem cell research issue. I do agree that we should continue on with the research but not at the expense of using women as a harvesting field to do so. If you read into what Bush is against on this subject you would realize that he wants to limit such research from paying for donors. To do so would be to degrade the babies to be into nothing more then new lab mice. To blame the president for all the losts jobs is just plain silly. Does the president sign my pay check. No, the company I work for does. If they have to pay less taxes so they can continue to hire on new employees and keep the ones they have I say go for it. If you notice a lot of the jobs lost are those that were connected to the industries most affected by 9/11. When we were attacked people got scarried and stop flying, spending money and investing as much. The whole economy went on a downturn. When the economy is down that means businesses make less money so they need to cut costs somewhere and unfortunetly that means jobs. Also 70% of the work force is unskilled workers. They have not gone to college or obtained some kind of experience to further their careers. I know college is expenive and not everyone can afford to go right after highschool but there is always a way if one wants it bad enough. My wife had a 3.98 gpa throughout high school and participated in numerous activities but because her father made too much money she couldn't get scholorships or pell grants. So she did what most people should do. She held 2 full time jobs and 1 part time job and went to school full time so she didn't have to be in debt up to her ears when she got her degree. Well I need to be getting to bed now so I can get a few hours sleep before my second job. God bless everyone and have a happy holiday season Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete