Thread for NEW START Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete  NEW START Cru 10:50pm, September 26, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Okay folks here's my idea........the chat could use some changes, a fresh start if you will. Put your ideas here if ya got any..... My idea is I do the grand finale of my sim afer everyone has finished off their sims. And during the final battle Mannorawk's primary ship is damaged heavily or sabotaged by the goodies. The temporal generators are heavily damaged and a massive chain reaction occurs. This action causes a massive temporal overload that erases time itself.....but the massive energies also combine together creating a new universe.....similiar to our own but different in some subtle and some dramatic ways. Okay theres my idea   Anonymous 12:44am, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Should this be temporary, or permenant? A literal new start, or Age of Apocalypse type thing?  For Reference... FALCON X-0N 12:46am, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] This is a valid idea. Any responses like "NO IT'S STUPID" or "FUCK YOU CRU" to the topic will be moderated and disreguarded. If you don't like the idea, or if you like the idea, list it out, talk it out. Tell us why.   Red 12:50am, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Sounds like a good idea to me, Cru. But when you say new universe, do you mean everyones existing character are gone? Cause that would be fun. Können Sie saltine ungesüßte Kekse schmausen auf Ihrer Seele!  Flying monkey army! GOOOOO! Scott 6:07am, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] The kinda idea where everyone gets to throw in their adapted version right? Finding a peaceful way to compromise and evolve with everyone elses ideas and not forcefully shutting out anyone? Please go on. :)  Fuck you Cru! Sir Mike Of Decoyness 5:59pm, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] My opinion matters not... But what would change?   Uncle Det 7:05pm, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Its an interesting Idea but im also interested into what would be changing. is it all simple character changes or does Tatooine suddenly become some sort of tropical planet with monkey butlers to do our bidding?   Red 9:58pm, September 27, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] It might be hard to have everyone agree... I guess it depends on how drastic of changes you were thinking. Edited 8:20pm, September 27 by Red, author.  Ken Fuck You Cru! 1:02am, September 28, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Damn you mike, I was plannin--Oh uh...Yes do go on, although I'm not too keen on the whole making everything a clean slate type thing..and no making ken the stab dummy if thats not what this is meant to be...But im kinda liking ym idea of say the age of apocalypse type thing. but being temp, everyones chars would keep the memories...might lead to some nifty role changes or conflicts?  My take on it all Cru 1:12am, September 28, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Scott was the closest to what I mean....we sorta more or less have to agree on what changes would occur if we do this. Basically itd be a altered universe. For example and I repeat this is just a example with one of my chars, cru might not become mister psycho, he might of become a NR soldier.....or a smuggler ETC. And as for tatooine being changed thatd be up to everyone as a whole....*shrugs* Edited 8:13pm, September 27 by Cru, author.  Well, my take... FALCON X-0N 2:01am, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Tatooine shouldn't have to be changed very much. It's just I can't see my colonies being here without some major headaches- -in fact, this idea pretty much tosses most of my concepts of alternate reality characters (which I have a monopoloy on)...how do timeline changes effect beings from outside the universe? Uh, I don't know either, I'll just ignore it and not do anything with those guys *L* Generally, it'd be like restarting the storyline. Your character could either be as he was back when you introduced them, or they could be subtly different. If we did this, for example, I'd keep Zon as the Captain of the Explorer- -but I'd throw Blackwell in there as his first officer. All of this wuld be discussed- -we post what we like o start off as, and then go on from there. But how do we handle it? What exactly should we do, is it temporary or not? Well... Ten posts and only a few thoughts. I like the idea- -letting us restart, take our characters in new directions; as mentioned above, I love the alternate reality deals. But the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure if I want to permenantly erase almost seven years of RP history. More than that if you're scott, and not much less if you're anybody else. I mean, an Ash without a Poker Club? We've done alt-future sims before. I've done two of them (Zon visits scary future, and "Days of the Future Ash"). But they weren't permenant. I think this idea is a great one, but I submit that we make it temporary. Bear with me now, I have analogies coming. Being as big of a comic geek as I am, while I always said this place was a TV series, I saw it much like a comic book universe. Each character- -the really important ones, anyhow- -get their own monthly comic book. Plotlines and mega crossovers intertwine, it's a shared universe with many authors. WHen I first thought of this idea, I thought of it as a clear-cut restart. Ultimate Marvel. For those not in the know (everybody but, uh, Cru and um...the only other person I know who was a comic geeker was Jace, and he's long gone, so...everybody but Cru and me...), Ultimate Marvel was a project started a few years ago, that took the mythos of Marvel Comics, and restarted them in a new title: Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men- -the same characters, and characterization, same origins, just diffent stories, some similiar, some parallel, some completely different, all updated for the 21st century. Whether you like it or not, it was a marketing boon. That's one way to view this, one option- -that kind of restart, and update, and askewed CFC. Or, as I mentioned under a fake name 'cause I didn't feel like being silly and moderaty at the same time Age of Apocalypse. A completely different reality that'd take over the chat for a set amount of time. But that's not really what we want- -we don't want to go all post apocalyptic, the idea is a restart. IS there a happy middle ground? Sure! Heroes Reborn! In the mid 90s when comics were kind of going down the toilet, and Marvel went bankrupt, they had a big thing called Onslaught. Onslaught was a bad guy who killed off 90% of the super heroes of the Marvel Universe but due to some miraculous event, when they died their spirits were placed, unaware, in a pocket universe, where they did a pre-ultimate marvel restart, updated and renewed with similiar, parallel but not the same storylines. They did this for a year and then had a big stink about returning the good guys to the real universe. So, how does the whole terrible THREE PARAGRAPHS of exposition get to my point? Which one do we pick? We pick 'em all. We do the whole temporal thing. But it IS temporary. That's my vote- -not "one night stand" temporary, but a few months, the average lifespan for a big ass mega RP. How long? Eh, decide it on the fly. But the universe, as he CFC, will get restored, eventually. That's a done deal, set it stone- -it will not die, just take a nap while we try something radical. And then a big smash-bang battle to restore the universe, annnnnnd -well, that's up to us, in a few months, which universe we actually want to keep RPing in. We give it a try. A new start, for a few months (say, November-April?), change the color scheme, make a new banner, etc etc, and then we decide which one we stick with, in April (or whenever). If we go back to 'classic CFC' which would be the default plan, then we undo the temporal screwup. If not, then we make it as so it's not a temporal screw up- -we let NuCFC exist as the new universe for the chat, and the old CFC-verse be..something, who knows, decide that later. How's that sound? Edited 9:03pm, September 28 by FALCON X-0N, author.  My views don't count but please hear me out... Scott 2:42am, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Please don't give me flak for what I'm about to say...but it may be the simplest way do this would be to start over from scratch. It'd save us all the headaches and egos of people who believe they deserve to come out the strongest. After all, we all have alot to digest in reguards to this idea. My thought isn't a solution. When I said 9 I used it as a reference to some of the chatters who have been around the longest and would have the most built up story line to kiss goodbye. But that doesn't make those chatters any more important than anyone else. I just, If it were done my way I like everyone to have a say in how they'd react to it. Granted we're bound to end up with several people who's characters probably wouldn't be effected in such an event.(Depending upon how it happens.) And come out with scratched up memories in an alternate universe. Just, all I'd ask is for everyone to take that into consideration. That everyone has a say, even if that say is telling the rest of the party to decide for him or her. That's basically it. Mainly because I'm still trying to read through most of Zon's post. Thank you and uh...have a nice day?   Tym 3:05am, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I have been tentatively on Cru's side since I first heard of this concept. My major problem was that I knew a lot of people could be irked, including one very close to myself. I think a temporary "try-it-on-for-size" run would be a perfect balance. I, for one, vote for such. Now, my question: Where do we restart? My suggestion would be a primarily star wars universe with alternachars just starting to come in and make it cross-franchise. Perhaps the big boom that destroys and rebuilds the universe or whatever is happening is what ends up tearing the wormhole that allows starfleet into the Tatoo system, for instance, which then opens the floodgates to pretty much everyone else. Selfishly speaking, I think the best time period (to reintro my characters) would be immediately after the Battle of Endor. The two (maybe three) characters I'd port over would be drasticly affected by this, and I'd like the opportunity to return to their roots, myself. EDIT: regarding alternate reality characters, I've always seen the characters based more on personality and attitude than origins. It seems to me that, depending on a given character's player's inclinations, they could always say they were "absorbed" into the star wars timeline and have a new star wars-based background that parallels the alternate reality-based one and manages to preserve the personality and attitude while perhaps providing for any twists or alterations said player may wish to incorporate. For example, say zon wanted to preserve slider without trying to "reoriginize" and didn't mind "starwarsizing", he could fall back on the old star wars mainstay, freighter/smuggler and still maintain the technical savvy and hardnosed blaster slinger personae. Edited 11:02am, September 29 by Tym, author. NEW EDIT: My vote's a yes Edited 8:00pm, October 01 by Tym, author.  *GASP* Ken 7:28pm, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Crusader becomes a flower delivery man... Slider opens up a galactic drug syndicate... Michael Striker smokes that *cough*...(lightsaber my ass..) Saint implodes trying to blow up Tatooine... Ash becomes fat and grows another chin...   Gorny OOC 9:42pm, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Sounds cool to me. I'd like a fresh new start here  Ok Impersonating Sean 11:58pm, September 29, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I like the Idea..I can have Roland be teleported here after he finds the Dark Tower, and he can just sort of come into town..and i can just have my MS pilots do stuff like that, as well..so..i'm cool.  My Opinion Doesn't Matter Red 12:39am, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] SinceI am probably the newest chatter here with the least story line to get ruined if we try a new start, I will probably go with whatever you guys decide on. However, I prefer the full-blown cross-franchise to starting out starwars-ish and working the cross franchise in. Aside from that, everything else sounds fine. I'll probably think of some huge complaint later, since I still haven't really processed everything everyone's said on the matter, but oh well.   Andrew Marsh 2:41am, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I'm definately down, both of my characters are starting to get really close to the ends of thier respective Tatooine story lines so the restart would be perfect for them.  a possibility Rando OOC 4:39am, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Its an interesting idea.... I would have a tough time with it since it would mean giving up pretty much all my characters. Rando I don't use much anymore, dunno if I could still use him. If we do this, that means the only character I do use anymore, aka Jonny, would be gone dunno if I could get him back, all things considered. So my question is, that if we do this on a temporary basis, and most characters in this AU forget everything, how would we get back. I think it may be needed to leave a few characters here in this universe to try to restore the rightfull way of things. anyways thats my two cents *goes over into the corner to contemplate subspace ripples and folds in the quantumn foam of the universe*   Andrew Marsh 4:42am, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Or the heroes find out that thier reality isn't correct and needs to be destroyed to save the universe so they pull the ultimate hero move and give thier own lives to return the universe to it's proper order.  Erm.. Lorn Pavan 4:58am, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Not like I've really been around much the past couple years, but I think it's a great idea, and it'd give me a great oppurtunity to start RPing in the CFC again...In my opinion, there should always be a Jedi or two in any SW chat, Cross-Franchise or not...but who knows..maybe I'll go Dark instead this time around..   Ken 7:13pm, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Lorn comes back...maybe ill bri--Damnit..already did that four times...D'oh!  that's it! I'm changing my password! Rylee 8:11pm, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] err, I mean, hi. look, all your ideas sound good on paper, it's workin it into rp, and yeah, this happens, Rylee would still exist but the twins wouldn't and Ranod there would be out a character. So, it's really a matter of who's willing to risk what, is it temp or perm and all that rot. but either way, I'll go along with whatever the rest of you decide. I can't remember half my ruttin characters anyway... Which is sad really. Although it would bring the lot that died back to life. now, back to e-mail, changing my password, and contemplating cookie dough. why oh why did they have to make that taste so good?!  *grins evily* Andrew Marsh 9:20pm, September 30, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Yesss. the dead come back. I might have to have my very fist character Greedo come back for a one-shot.   Anonymous 2:53am, October 01, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] it wont really change anything at all... will it ?  told ya Rando OOC 5:36am, October 01, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Told ya I would be out a char... thats why I signed on for this on the proviso that it is temporary.... *goes back to contemplating the changes he will invoke*   Shadow 5:15pm, October 01, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I just got my internet back today from the lovely hurricane Jeane so this was my first chance to take a look at this. As some know I'm currently working up an RP, and feel that once it's complete, (and then cru's or whatnot) that a complete wipe would actually be very interesting. So in other words as long as everyone's respective RPs are at an end when we choose to do this I'm all for it.  Hmmmm J The Voice Of Reason 10:59pm, October 01, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] A completely new start? I may actually come back if that occurs.....  A change of strategy, Scott 11:17pm, October 01, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Can I ask everyone to do something. For accountability sake. And Cru's sanity, please edit somewhere in your post, just one will do if you have multiple posts, and add a yes or no in reguards to this topic. That way we can get a clean count on how many are interested in going with it and how many are against it for not. You can even post your reason and some questions you may or may not have. I would be a yes, thanks.  *yawns* Cru 12:57am, October 02, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] First off this wasnt my idea in the first place.....it just seems to got bigger and bigger and Im now holding the reigns *shrugs* ok. Personally though Im not okay with the whole temp thing. As for the people worrying bout losing chars I could speak my stance on it but then that would make people mad so I wont say a word. But realy Im against it being temporary. News flash. The place has been going on for aeons. And like The Practice its time for something new...plus this will make it easier for people to get into. I can even probably con some people (I will not say any names) into coming back.   Red 11:14pm, October 02, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I'm against it being temp also, since it's almost a waste of time. What I mean is, any development accomlished during the "new reality" period would be wasted as soon as we went back to normal. But I'd say yes anyway, just for kicks and giggles.   Buzz 3:11am, October 03, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Ultimately, we shouldn't need a temporary instatement. All the characters you control are yours and yours alone to mold and sculpt into the people that you want them to be. Say you don't like the new start, find a way for your characters to become what they once were, or at least an approximation of it. I have amassed a large amount of influence and items with Buzz, but there are a dozen differnt ways I would like to take him, and I've got some pretty cool stuff we could do with a complete restart. All that is needed for this to work out, is for everyone to have fun with it. Right now, we're stagnant, as a chat. I used to blow off wings with the guys, or a weekend with a girl just so I could participate in that critical RP. Now...I don't even feel that bad just leaving in the middle of something. My imagination is no longer captivated by the things we do here. I think most of us have taken character arcs as far as we can without situations becoming old hat. Don't worry about losing something really important. Knowing human nature, I think it's safe to assume that most of us will find a way to sneak in certain characters and things we just can't part with. In Summation:We, as a chat, need this to continue survival. I am for this. Let's make it kick ass.   Sir Mike Of Decoyness 12:15pm, October 03, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] If I missed anything, I apologize... It's 8am and I just got home from work. I like the idea of a few month long but still temporary restart, though definitely keep the option of making it permenant. As for time frame... I very much like the pre-cross franchise idea. Mostly starwars to start with the rest working their way in. It leaves a lot of possibilities for new and intresting RP. I'd like to say this would bring me back, but that's doubtful as I'm only up in the morning (while no one is here) but It'd definitely renew my intrest in RP around here and I feel it would do the same for regulars and new comers a like... For once Cru had a good idea... HOW THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN!?!  yes Ace Kezie 1:54am, October 05, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Soundslike it could be good. *Thinks*Yes, I would be very interested in this idea. I'll help in anyway I can, including ideas..   AceOOC 4:28pm, October 06, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] A clean wipe would be interesting, methinks....... i could totally restart the Conglomerate... (anyone still remember the Deception ?)  Voting FALCON X-0N 7:23pm, October 08, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I just put it on the official chat poll, everyone please vote.  Just to clarify.. FALCON X-0N 5:08am, October 09, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] The restart would work like this- -you reiintroduce your characters and such however you want, the factions and political stuff all going back to however we agree. If we agree, then we'll discuss how the world will look. It'll be more SW though. The only difference between Cold REset, and reset with four month, is that in the cold reset, we don't have a guarnatee that we'll go back to what we have now. We still could if we decide to- -but the second poll option guarntees that we all go back to the 'current' timeline, after four or five months of playing in resetted-world.  Stone Cold Info Pog 2:33am, October 10, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Yeah, we need to get facts straight, like archetecture, security forces, facts about the planet and desert environments in general.  Y/N Seth 1:09am, October 11, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] As much as I'd like to restard and refresh, I've spent to much time making my characters what they are. And I don't feel like doing it all over again.   Tym 12:44am, October 12, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] I don't understand this whole thing with not wanting to lose characters. I know there's a lot of time and effort put into these things, but after all that time and effort, what do you have to show for it? The nature of this chat, of these rps is fleeting, temporal at best. What do you really lose from this? Where do you have to go with your characters now? Another apocalypse, another good triumphs over evil? Where's the growth? Where's the story? Isn't that what all this is about? The story? What story has no ending? What character builds up to nothing if not the climax and the ending? I want to see how it ends. I want to see what we've been working toward. And, then, yes, I'm downright excited about restarting my six-year-old original character.  Waiter, Where can I spill some urine? Seth 8:22pm, October 14, 2004 [Edit] [Delete] Yeah, I never really registered a character, or like I lost the password so like, just add one for the restart. Index | New Thread | Reply | Close | Stick | Delete