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 Anyone agree with this statement?
Sir Mike Of Decoyness
8:48pm, July 10, 2003
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[Delete]		"I loave how things fucking work around here.....***GoNe***"

Respond using the following format to save everyone the time of searching through rantings for the point:

1: I agree/I disagree
2: Why I agree/disagree
3: What changes can be made

Any insults ("Fuck you, that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard!"), immature bitching/ranting ("U guys r all morons and this chat sux cuz i lost my char when i insta-goned"), etc will be ignored and depending on severity of it (IE: spark a shitstorm) deleted.
 I agree...
Lori
10:19pm, July 10, 2003
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[Delete]		Mike's made an excellent point. You don't need to be cussing everyone out to get your point across. We're people; let's at least act a little civilized.
 Option number four: Huh?
FALCON X-0N
11:34pm, July 10, 2003
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[Delete]		Clarrification: Is that "Loathe" or "love"?


okay, seriously though, changes can always be made for the better. Somehow, this strikes me as "rubbing in face" type of shit, which will only make things worse...

 
Sir Mike Of Decoyness
1:12am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		loathe... And if you can think of changes, now is the time to name them.
 Insert long winded bitch fest here.
Scott
3:02am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		I'm sorry for being stupid, but define what working things we're talking about mere for those of us who are stupid. Please.
 I agree because...
J
3:25am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		The sims now seem too exclusive, moreso then they used to be. This ain't the case for all of them I guess, but for a lot they always involve the same group of people with the same group of characters and anyone who may want to join in either ignored or can't join in because the RP's take place in isolated areas like a secret compound or a space station or some far away planet or something like that. I could be wrong since I'm not always around anymore but what I do see reflects what I've just mentioned. I honestly don't have a solution other than have some sims where there is a great big threat to the planet and a whole bunch of characters can get involved. There's already been some good suggestions on this messageboard for stuff like that such as the slasher movie scenario or some big time unknown alien invasion. Something where any character can get involved.
 ...
Seth
3:43am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		I agree with J, more and more rps are with the same people. Not to mention the fact that rping level has gone down, or so I say.
 
Sir Mike Of Decoyness
4:11am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		I agree yet with J and Seth but at the same time disagree. Big sims will help... As long as the plot is progressed by player characters, not NPCs. Players interacting with one another, good, bad and ugly...
 
Rando OOC
5:36am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		yeah... a big time alien Invasion RP... anyone recall the Slith Invasion from the old Tina? Man those were the days
 
Det
7:25am, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		 1. I dont really know, I dont want to agree or disagree, I dont think things are too terribly wrong, but I dont think they are perfect either, though I would like to put forth a challenge, show me a chat thats perfect and Ill show you either a liar or a dead chat with no people in it in the first place.

2. Quite Simply I think the rules make since, but I think theres not enough rules in other areas that might need them, thefore its good and bad.

3. Lot more limitation on the characters, of everything. stop all this overpowered crap, and get down to somthing where The intelligence and skill of the Role Player matters mroe than the bullcrap they can copy from a hundred diffrent things and evolve into somthing invicible or nearly invicible.


Big RP's have ups and downs, ups such as you get people working togeather whent hey normally wouldnt, and offer more of an rp to someone who might not have as much chances, downside, if its too big you involve people who dont really want to be part of the roleplay, or it just becomes too big of a hassle in trying to get all the players togeather at once for a session. It also needs to be very well planned out, with lots of open ends to allow the thing to go in many diffrent directions, one that basicalylly has a story, and is ment to end up at one place sooner or later takes most of the aciton of the hands of the rolepalyer and leaves it up to the storyteller who basically mvoes forward when they want too.
 
JekNado
7:40pm, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		1- We have more then enough rules. They just need to be followed by everyone, not just a certain few.
2- Overpowered shit. I've watched some of the battles take place recently, and they're just sad. "I get out my quantum powered tituanium/kilrathium plated dick and shove it through your skull! Oh yeah, I use my phase shifting quantum phashing chrono dick displacement device to wipe it from existance!!!" What ever happened to you shoot your gun at me, and I shoot back?! This leads to point three.
3- Characters. You know why everyone's a superpowered cyborg with technology so advanced that you need to have a physics book so you can describe how it works? Because a regular human character has no chance. It was hard enough having a regular grunt verse a vampire, let alone attack a walking tank. Then it effects rp. If you do get a human that becomes too big of a threat, then a few tech posts are thrown down and they're wiped out while you're up getting a sandwich.
4- Sims. Parts one, two, and three all effect part four. J said there's too many private sims, but the reason for that is because you get the city involved and then the whole sim ends up falling apart because certain groups get involved and center the whole thing on them, or you end up trying to defend your main antagonist against 20 people and he either dies, or it turns into a bitchfest. 90% of the time, it's just easier to rp with a group of people you can trust and keep it contained.
5- Sim Variety. Ok, big threat comming to fuck over the planet and huge armies comming to fuck over the planet have been done to death and they're all the same. You can have variety!!! It can be done!! How about a political sim between factions? As long as the groups would conduct themselves in the same fashion that political discussions are done IRL, they wouldn't end with some guy going, "Fuck you, I'll do what I want!" and you could actually accomplish some things. Love stories are cheezy, but they can be enjoyable. This also ties into the character thing. There's only so many things that the "Badass Gunslinger" archtype can do.
If I think of any more, they'll get posted, count on it.
 
Karen
9:16pm, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		I agree with Jek. We do have more than enough rules and we do need more sim variety.
 Okay, fuck this.
FALCON X-0N
9:31pm, July 11, 2003
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[Delete]		Actions speak louder than words.

Link

Edited 4:57pm, July 11 by FALCON X-0N, author.
 
Sir Mike Of Decoyness
1:03am, July 12, 2003
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[Delete]		Seeing as a few of those were directed at me...

1: We have too many rules. We try to be lenient and only stop shit when it's compromising the well being of the chat.

2: Yeah, I agree. We need to tone the tech down. But bad guys are always eliminated by tech weilding/ super ability using good guys, so it'll take an effort of all, not a few. More than a few are guilty of super teching.

Edited 8:07pm, July 11 by Sir Mike Of Decoyness, author.
 Insert short winded bitching here.
Scott
5:10am, July 12, 2003
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[Delete]		I'm probably going to get hit by someone for this. But I love how things works here from time to time.

A do agree the thought of super tech is extremely assnine when it comes down to explaining and receiving. Especially when someone tells you there's absolutely no way to over come it. (But I also think part of the problem in alot of that is alot of people just don't like the reaction they get from other role players when they deal a certain type of blow. ) Ever notice how most everyone uses some type of slug throwing weapon as aposed to atypical StarWars fashion weaponry. Meaning blasters, thermals, and other such fancy future weaponry. No defense ever fully works because most don't like the idea of a villian who can not be beat on the first try. (And typically there's always one in the crowd who complains even after the battle is finished about the intire battle itself.)

But I also have to say that alot of the people who end up posting on this board and will probably post for this topic are the majority of people who play both the hero and the villian when it comes to the sims we all host. So complaining about it really doesn't help when your the one's who have the power to change your own actions in the first place. (And before you say it, how many of my villians are still alive? Almost none... How many of my hero's make successful kills? Still almost none.(Sorry Cru.) How many times have we killed cru when he tells us his weapons are supperior? Many many many fucking times.)

So, to the point. I do loath a few things that go on around here. And alot of it I probably do myself...

And before you kill me, I appoligize for the really long post.


Scream with me Jocko!


(So yes, take out the "a" from Loave and I agree with it. O:-) )

Edited 12:14am, July 12 by Scott, author.
 
Ken
7:20am, July 12, 2003
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[Delete]		I for one must say before 1) My comp kills itself and 2) Im slapped around by u vets :)

I do not make supertech...I steal it

ANd I agree with alot of what uve all said, hell, Im prolly one of the main cul--"Stupid fuckers with big chrono phasing dicks"...Yeah that type shit...Hell maybe some quantom for boob---anyways...I just think we need to get back to the olden days...Ya know...the Kill Ken and Cru...Kill them some more...And Oh...MORE! You know what I mean, the time before people would stop rping when their char has died...yeah ive done that and the time when we could have an all out fight between IC...i repeat IC!!!! chars and no bullshit npc armies out of the ying yang...I admit some or most of the amies are legit but you all know what i mean for im only repeating wut u said. And before anybody acuses me of moding, I only mode when Im 1) being shot by mike..*Cough*...2)Killing myself.. SO I say we all get together in one ofJeks or Crus or Mikes or hell, Scotts I dunno rps and have IC guys not npcs do it...But have the flexibility wth chars in the scenarios to where we can be missing one or two ...three...four..5 of the typers.

This has been Ken's words of dimmwittedness for the day...Goodnight
 This topic just reeks of me
Pog
10:17am, July 12, 2003
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[Delete]		yeah yeah, I'm mister swiss army techno ass, but then again, how much time do I usually spend IC? The last time I went uberwank technospank happy was when the kromaggs stomped a mud hole in my ass. I do agree that we need more variety in large scale rp and need to tone down the super badguy bullshit. Wow, shortest post....
 Any ideas for a big sim?
Lori
6:15pm, July 13, 2003
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[Delete]		I agree with Jace on the point he made. There are too many exclusive sims at isolated locations. Also, the point about the details of weapons is another good point. Some of us don't have the background in certain types of weaponry. However, if anyone wants to start a new thread in the index to describe characters' weapons, go for it. To show that I'm not being hypocritical on my suggestion, I'll start the new thread. This way people can refer to the weapons subject so they can be better informed on what is kicking their ass.

Anyone else agree?

Also, I created a new planet, considering the Unknown Regions of the Star Wars galaxy are not that well known, called Crystalia. I am creating a page to describe their humanoid species and way of life. Here's the gist of how they are: Their training is like the witches of Dathomir (not the Nightsisters, but the Force users of the clans) along with their semi-female-dominated culture. Their movements and a little of their physical appearance resembles the Kaminoans in Ep. 2 (not the long necks, just the dancerlike stature and movements and the willow thin type bodies). Anyone that would like to help me develop this cross between Dathomirian Force users, Kaminoan manners and grace, and Naboo and Alderaanian pacifism with a kick, e-mail me at psyjediwitch@yahoo.com. Be sure to mention who you are in the subject line.

I recently created a Project JJ chat based a little on the Cantina, but it's a Jedi temple. The address is http://pjj.cc/swtjt. I need council members for both Sith and Jedi and Force wielding chars. Anyone interested?
 
Ken
6:41pm, July 13, 2003
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[Delete]		*just blinks*

*Blinks*





*blinks*
 *Kicks Kensei where it counts.*
Scott
9:10pm, July 13, 2003
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[Delete]		Now you have a reason to cough!

There's nothing I could say that resolve any differences in how anyone wants to role play. But I could try this.

Next time you see a sim inacted, ask them how to get involved. If they tell you to get lost that your not invited, than you've got something to complain about. If they ignore you, you've got something maybe to complain about(Especially if your flooding the screen to get attention to get involved in the sim.) But if they tell you that it's your call on how to get involved and your able to follow the role play on screen good enough to know you want to be involved....you don't really have anything to complain about. It's not their fault you don't get involved. Every sim there has ever been has had moments where ANYONE can get involved.

As for weapons, Lori, Alot of people prefer to use slug throwers. As alot prefer to use blasters or other asorted energy weapons. I have to thank them for being kind enough to describe to me what weapon their using to allow me to post respective amounts of damage. I can't read their minds so it helps to be told such things, such as the difference between using a blaster or a desert eagle 50 caliber revolver. Of all the people we see using said "super weapons" the most, when have their failed to try and describe what it does to those who ask? (That goes some how for the amazing, "The bullet moves faster than sound, thus hits you before you can react to dodge." moments.))

...*Kicks kensei again for good measures.*

Edited 4:11pm, July 13 by Scott, author.


When did I cough!!!!?

Edited 8:05pm, July 13 by Scott, author.
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JaRules
4:18am, July 14, 2003
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[Delete]		I agree with most of the concepts which have been posted. But there's always a chance for people to be involved in RP , People are just too fucking lazy to get IC and do something , Rather they sit OOC and say Bullshit like "I loathe how fucking things work around here". So if you hate how things work ? Why not make them better yourself? And as Supertech goes ... Well look at where we're at ? The chat description clearly states "Various Technologies, creatures, and plots are welcome; this is not strictly Star Wars."
So their's always gonna be more powerful weapons than others... Afterall , I remember being through debates about SW v ST and ST weapons always seemed to be more powerful.

And pointing this at Jek- If you disagree with so called "Supertech" why not shut down Shinra ? Don't they manufacture some of this
"Supertech"? And the reason people so call " Invent" this technology is as an alternative to others. Not everyother asshole in the world can dodge bullets ya know ? So they need a sheild or something.

Factions- I've noticed multiple bitching about factions , So I must Defend New Light at all costs. I've built up NL from a Terribly old ISD-II that was found partially destroyed on the moon after the whole "Big War" years ago by my character and a group of others ... And I've built it up ever since , Atlerast every chance I have in the Cantina I do something with New Light , I've spent many hours of my time to build them up rather than " OMG I have 60000 SSDs and 999999999 Troops! " Instread I found alternatives to money problems , Negotiated deals with other Factions/Companies and have been involved in many battles to further my power and forces and have done multiple recruitments. Hell I've even done lame ass propganda and have waited many days for my shit to be constructed to avoid biching at all costs .. Yet I still hear people bitching about NL and other factions ... But the only way I can understand people bitching about Factions is if they haven't put in as much work as I have in their faction ... Days ... Weeks Months even ..

The Point- ... But the worst part of all is that I come back here not even after a year and STILL have to listen to peoples bitching about Factions/RPs/Technology. So people who bitch and moan about this must be lazy if they don't even do anything about it themselves ... And none of this " I can't .. It's impossible .. No one listens anyways " Well if people don't listen .. How the fuck did they learn to RP in the first place ? Instead of bitching about it .. Do something about it .. "Actions speak more than words" is the word on the street..Also ..What the hell ? People bitch about there not being RPs ? Well all ppl do is bitch about them anyways ..And this " Well they're off in an isoltaed area" Who gives a shit ? Make an RP yourself people can and want to get invovled in .. Drag their ass out of OOC and get something going , Instead of everyone just sitting around an moaning OOC.
So if you haven't gotten the main drift I've said all so much...my main point is instead of bitching about everything .. Do something about it ..

And yes I realize I'm gonna get alot of sarcastic remarks on my post .. But I don't give a shit .. I'm just tryin to get my point across .. Hopefully this will sink in and we can bring the ole Cantina back .. the fun and enjoyable one ... It's not the Chat or the Admins that make the chat "Suck" it's the people who are invovled in it .. As Mike's said .. This isn't his chat , This is the peoples chat , It only becomes his when their's an asshole in their causing fights ...
 
JekNado
5:06am, July 14, 2003
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[Delete]		Shinra's about making money. If I produce tech that doesn't make cash, it's worthless. Besides, like you said, "Not everyother asshole in the world can dodge bullets ya know ?" I'd rather just make regular weapons, but you gotta give the people what they want.

Besides, it's better to have this shit out in the open. We can discuss it, or we can let the problems continue until it gets worse and worse. You have to figure out what the problem is before anyone can do anything about it. Besides, look at Zon. He's trying to do a high quality rp that could be a lot of fun. It'll probably end like every other mass war where someone blows up the planet to save it, but it's shit like that we're trying to prevent.
 The link told me to do it?
Scott
5:12pm, July 14, 2003
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[Delete]		Don't think I couldn't sense you coughing in the back ground!


I can't think of anything to post. Speaking of Zon though, wouldn't you say last night was a perfect example of some of thing points that have been made here?
 boyo
Jace
1:04am, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Well heres something I didnt see mentioned yet (though I admit, I only grazed through the words)

Everyone is almost -always- on a fuckin ship, what happned to the planet side rps? what happned to the interaction in the CANTINA itself? you know, cause the chat room -is- called the [big blinking lights] CANTINA [/big blinking lights] and thats where the action is supposed to be based, or at least in Mos Eisley

Im not saying Tatooine sized sims are bad, but look, you hardly even say that, everyones on diffrent planets, diffrent ships, no one is accessable to the average RPer!
 Out of curiousity.
Scott
3:36am, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		How many of you all host major conflicts on a space ship or on another planet?

Edited 10:50pm, July 14 by Scott, author.
 nyeh
Jace
4:04am, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Ah, but it isnt just major conflicts Scott, its also all about character development, which even Jek would agree with.

How do you form bonds, how do you meet new rpers and such, when your characters are always galavanting off with your little group of cantina regs? It seems to me that stunts rpg growth, especially when your all someplace that cant be found by the newbies, like Crus sim on some b.s. planet in the middle of no where.

Everyone tries to be so damned serious, everyone wants an earth shattering, or tattooine shattering plot line, and everyone wants the cantina to be some damned buffy episode, or some soap opera

Jeeze...

What happned to the days of good ole Shampoo? And how unfortunatly Dash#1 accidently became engaged to her because he beat her in hand to hand combat, and the mad rush Mike Stryker and Saber had to go through to find a way to end that engagement, that is, if those damn Chinese Amazons didnt throw their amnesia roman noodles on your head that made you forget everything

Things like that where -fun- the Sith invasion was -fun-

Sitting around in the ship when you could be out drinking at the cantina?


NOT FUN
 
Ken
5:26am, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Correction Jace...Sitting around a ship perfectng something to take scott down...while having a drink


FUN!
 
Impersonating JekNado
8:25pm, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Yeah, you can have Sim's in the Cantina. The only problem with that is everything that could turn into an awesome rp ends up getting solved by some character you didn't count on being there in fifteen minutes. Or you get people that bitch or don't understand how things work. It is getting a little bit better these days though.
 Whatever happened to the straight forward Yes or No Answer?
Scott
8:32pm, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Bla bla bla. What I was really looking for in reguards to that post was a Yes or No. And even perhaps an example of how they manipulate the plot in those kind of sims enviroments. Oh well.

The flip side to this topic would be, you of all people should feel this one Jace, that some plots are designed like that to keep specific people out of a sim because they feel they'll bring more of a conflict than a bonding experience. It brings me back to a thought I made in an earlier post. Alot of sims people don't get involved in either because they don't care, they've been isolated out of it purposely, or they don't bother to ask and just assume they can't.

As for Shampoo.....*Shifty eyes.* ... Dash#1 will always been remembered as a fallen hero who saved an unfortunately idiots life from marriage....*more shifty eyes*

-> Secondary note, alot of people can't sim the way they use to because they've got an gotten lives away from the chat. Such as you being in the Marine Corp now Jace. It happens again and again every year, and all the newbies that come are either yelled at to get out or bitched away by someone who doesn't have the patience to put up with them. It's why chat's die off....people get lives or isolate the chat so it's to their desire....

Edited 3:35pm, July 15 by Scott, author.
 
Jace
9:57pm, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		You see, but thats some of the best parts! In life, you can never preplan anything, Did Palpatine predict that Vaders son would be in the fight against the first Death Star?

Did he predict Vader would turn on him in the end?

You never know whats going to happen next, and yes it may frustrate you, yeah it can piss you off, and yeah you may have to re work things, but running things more spontaneously gives a much more realistic, and enjoyable roleplaying session
 ...
Scott
10:24pm, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		Because on some how still on a different topic. Yes or No? Mike is the Decoy God.

Is it so damn hard to put "Yes" or "No" That you have to put a post containing multiple examples in reguards to a topic that's trying to be covered in a different way than going "it's your fault, you die now. " !?

Edited 5:30pm, July 15 by Scott, author.
 
Ken
11:23pm, July 15, 2003
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[Delete]		How many of you all host major conflicts on a space ship or on another planet?



I dont see a yes or no question in there scottso!!! :)

I do, in the form of a reply saying "I have" or "I haven't." -Scott

Still not yes or no..thats have or havent!

Edited 12:23am, July 16 by Ken, author.
 You really wanna get picky!
Scott
12:17am, July 18, 2003
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[Delete]		You missed a city! Anchorhead survives longest of all tatooine cities in reguards to the chat!
 
JekNado
3:11am, July 18, 2003
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[Delete]		You forgot Toshi Station.
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